Librarian IAC Member Offline I may be blonde but... Posts: 658 Location: Washington (not DC) Re: We have a nomination Reply #15 - Mar 23rd, 2011 at 10:23pm Print Post Comic books - Lori Lemaris I think was that character's name - as I recall it was an amnesia story. And yes, I think she was at least as annoying as Ariel and an obvious Mary Sue as well (Who says professionals don't write Mary Sues?) As for Lane - Well, I pretty much stick to the Lois & Clark 'verse or the Movieverse, so she's not quite as annoying (or preternaturally oblivious) as the older comicbook version(s). At least the newer versions aren't quite as dense as the old ones. If you only have one solution to a problem - you're not trying. IP Logged
Neesierie Colonel Offline Straker, somehow it's always about you. Posts: 990 Location: Fulton, MO Re: We have a nomination Reply #16 - Mar 23rd, 2011 at 11:19pm Print Post If you've ever looked at the test they have online to tell if your character is a Mary Sue, you'll find that the only ones they consider not Mary Sues are those females who are fat, over forty, and blind. So I really don't think it matters whether a character is called a Mary Sue or not, since they all fit in that category the way it is presently defined! Now the men, on the other hand! Every one of them (in novels and on TV) would be labeled a Mary Sue if they used the same criteria for males that they use for females. Obviously there's something wrong with this picture! The sky is not the limit; nor are the stars. WWW IP Logged
Matt Colonel Offline Everyone at SHADO drinks coffee! Posts: 2391 Location: Coventry, RI Re: We have a nomination Reply #17 - Mar 24th, 2011 at 1:14am Print Post SHADO is loaded with Mary Sues by design, after all, Straker wanted the best of the best. It has been my experience in life, that people that strive for excellence in one field or specialty often end up being multi talented. What do you mean, we're out of coffee! WWW IP Logged
Librarian IAC Member Offline I may be blonde but... Posts: 658 Location: Washington (not DC) Re: We have a nomination Reply #18 - Mar 24th, 2011 at 1:55am Print Post Well, in this case - she was beautiful, royal, kind, brilliant, and hopelessly in love with the hero and her ONLY fault, aside from breathing water, was that her father hated landlubbers. In fact she sounded WAY too much like my early heroines (back in Jr. high school - maybe even before Mary Sue was named that) - female James Bonds, tall, beautiful swim suit models with green eyes and wavy hair and running off planet intelligence services and falling madly hopelessly in lust with Jim Kirk. (They were also all related to Spock.) Hey, I was thirteen. If you only have one solution to a problem - you're not trying. IP Logged
Matt Colonel Offline Everyone at SHADO drinks coffee! Posts: 2391 Location: Coventry, RI Re: We have a nomination Reply #19 - Mar 24th, 2011 at 3:16am Print Post Quote:female James Bonds, tall, beautiful swim suit models with green eyes and wavy hair and running off planet intelligence services and falling madly hopelessly in lust with Jim Kirk. (They were also all related to Spock.) Hey, I was thirteen. Quite an imagination! Nothing wrong with that. Related to Spock? On his mother's side I'll bet. What do you mean, we're out of coffee! WWW IP Logged
Neesierie Colonel Offline Straker, somehow it's always about you. Posts: 990 Location: Fulton, MO Re: We have a nomination Reply #20 - Mar 24th, 2011 at 5:14am Print Post Matt wrote on Mar 24th, 2011 at 1:14am:It has been my experience in life, that people that strive for excellence in one field or specialty often end up being multi talented. Huh. That's interesting. I was always told I was overly creative as a byproduct of abuse, since victims usually protect themselves by retreating to the safety of their mind. You mean, there's another reason? The sky is not the limit; nor are the stars. WWW IP Logged
Librarian IAC Member Offline I may be blonde but... Posts: 658 Location: Washington (not DC) Re: We have a nomination Reply #21 - Mar 24th, 2011 at 5:51am Print Post Well, it's moderately helpful to be bright and willing to work. But then all achievement is 99% perspiration. : If you only have one solution to a problem - you're not trying. IP Logged
Neesierie Colonel Offline Straker, somehow it's always about you. Posts: 990 Location: Fulton, MO Re: We have a nomination Reply #22 - Mar 24th, 2011 at 1:33pm Print Post You've got that right, Deb! Did you know that men who are multi-talented in more than one field are considered 'Renaissance men'? Women who are multi-talented are considered normal. Go figure! : The sky is not the limit; nor are the stars. WWW IP Logged
Matt Colonel Offline Everyone at SHADO drinks coffee! Posts: 2391 Location: Coventry, RI Re: We have a nomination Reply #23 - Mar 24th, 2011 at 2:00pm Print Post Quote:Well, it's moderately helpful to be bright and willing to work. But then all achievement is 99% perspiration. Nothing like good old fashioned hard work! Quote:Huh. That's interesting. I was always told I was overly creative as a byproduct of abuse, since victims usually protect themselves by retreating to the safety of their mind. You mean, there's another reason? While I'm sure that there are those who were inspired by abuse, I would never consider abuse as the sole source of creative thinking. Inspired thinking is truly unprejudiced. When I was playing out, I had the chance to work with some very talented musicians. These people were every bit as good as any picker I heard on the Grand Ole Opry. It's really too bad that the line between those that make it and those that don't, is fine indeed. My point is being surrounded by people, who write, sing, play, better than you, forces you to leap beyond the walls that have been set up in your mind. What do you mean, we're out of coffee! WWW IP Logged
Neesierie Colonel Offline Straker, somehow it's always about you. Posts: 990 Location: Fulton, MO Re: We have a nomination Reply #24 - Mar 24th, 2011 at 2:07pm Print Post Yeah. I've been a workaholic all my life. I don't know idle. In fact, Straker and I have that little trait in commmon, that even our 'down time' is spent doing something productive. (I think they call that ADD these days!) So, Matt, there are benefits to hanging out with those who know more than you do other than just for the interesting conversation? Cool. The sky is not the limit; nor are the stars. WWW IP Logged
Matt Colonel Offline Everyone at SHADO drinks coffee! Posts: 2391 Location: Coventry, RI Re: We have a nomination Reply #25 - Mar 24th, 2011 at 2:08pm Print Post Neesierie wrote on Mar 24th, 2011 at 1:33pm:You've got that right, Deb! Did you know that men who are multi-talented in more than one field are considered 'Renaissance men'? Women who are multi-talented are considered normal. Go figure! The last time I tried to analyze the difference between men and women, my remark was taken completely out of context and I got called a sexist (behind my back). Of course anyone who has read my stories knows that nothing could be further from the truth. I do have an opinion as to why that is, but I might be taking my life in my hands if I put it forward. What do you mean, we're out of coffee! WWW IP Logged
Neesierie Colonel Offline Straker, somehow it's always about you. Posts: 990 Location: Fulton, MO Re: We have a nomination Reply #26 - Mar 24th, 2011 at 2:12pm Print Post My writer son always calls me a sexist! : He really doesn't like it when I point out the inconsistencies of our society. But then, he's a guy and they're in his favor, so why would he complain? The sky is not the limit; nor are the stars. WWW IP Logged
Matt Colonel Offline Everyone at SHADO drinks coffee! Posts: 2391 Location: Coventry, RI Re: We have a nomination Reply #27 - Mar 24th, 2011 at 2:14pm Print Post Now that's a twist. Gals almost never get called that, as far as I know. : What do you mean, we're out of coffee! WWW IP Logged
Neesierie Colonel Offline Straker, somehow it's always about you. Posts: 990 Location: Fulton, MO Re: We have a nomination Reply #28 - Mar 24th, 2011 at 2:17pm Print Post Actually, Matt. I know why it's that way too. Any woman who's tried to raise kids, keep a home, and still make her hubby happy is aware that multi-tasking isn't a neat idea -- it's the only way to survive! But men who spend most of their time at work doing one kind of job (even when they do it excellently) tend to have a narrower focus, so that when they do excel in several areas it's a surprise! I only made my comment because when I was a teenager my goal in life was to be a Renaissance woman. I was so bummed when I finally realized that there was no such term for females! The sky is not the limit; nor are the stars. WWW IP Logged
Matt Colonel Offline Everyone at SHADO drinks coffee! Posts: 2391 Location: Coventry, RI Re: We have a nomination Reply #29 - Mar 24th, 2011 at 2:22pm Print Post I agree, whole heartedly, and that is what I was going to say. That's a compliment ladies! That's why I think a woman would make a better fighter pilot. They possess situational awareness to the nth degree! And Denise, you did make that goal! What do you mean, we're out of coffee! WWW IP Logged
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