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Reply #15 - Mar 6th, 2011 at 6:59am
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"My two favorite characters in Voyage were the Admiral and Chief Sharkey. "

Yes I loved Sharkey devotion to Nelson.  Loved the time covered Sharkey with foam  Grin And was trying not to crack up when he came into the control room.
The time Sharkey gave up his little black book :Smiley
  
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Reply #16 - Mar 6th, 2011 at 7:11am
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And like the Commander will have cash on him  Grin  Probably will do that, "I left my wallet in my other nehru, Alec."
  
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Reply #17 - Mar 6th, 2011 at 7:13am
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I am all for non-canon makes for much better stories. Cool
  
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Reply #18 - Mar 6th, 2011 at 7:39am
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Amelia,
This is one of those 'The Way It Should Have Ended' episodes!  Loved it!  Smiley
  

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Reply #19 - Mar 6th, 2011 at 7:40am
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Nessierie,
I am impressed, "near double major in both Nuclear Physics and English" I could use your smart so that I could do a decent Nelson.
I can sympathize with your daughter my English and spelling are she-its-ville (chuckle) Lips Sealed
Reading out loud or especially in my head I can do voices for the characters, that add to my enjoyment of the written word. Grin
Voyage was my salvation during a bad time in my life.  I attached to Basehart on the second show, since I was first pissed that he replaced Walter Pidgeon as Admiral Nelson.
  
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Reply #20 - Mar 6th, 2011 at 7:54am
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Blue,
God, I feel so bad now about letting Alec die in my Hewett series. At least it wasn't at the hands of the aliens, and he didn't die alone.





Blue Shrew has been known to stalk authors with a big stick if they as much give Alec a scratch.  Grin


Actually I firmly believe that other than following the basics of good writing, nobody should allow any other person, people or style to dictate to them what defines a good UFO story. Creativity doesn't only come in one color. People bash Straker and Alec in stories, or they use them in pornography, or they write them in what seems to ME to be too far removed from how Straker and Alec were in the series, or more accurately how I interpreted them to be. That doesn't mean my opinion is the only one that counts or that the writers are WRONG. That's my personal feeling. If a person dictates to others, to me that's more about ego than anything else. Nobody watched UFO in the same way. We see things through our own eyes. That means we see things based on how we grew up, what we like, what we hate, what our own experiences have been. Ed Bishop could have had an itchy butt and so Straker walked that way. Grin  Straker stood with his arms wrapped around himself and touched and toyed with objects, so I reached a conclusion. Sure, I reached it through my own understanding of psychology but that doesn't make me right. I'm interpreting it because I project my own isolation, my own loneliness, my own need for tactile stimuli to Straker. It's up to a reader to say, "Hey, wow, I never thought of that" or "FAIL!"  Grin  Although I take writing seriously, I know enough to determine that there's a reader for every story. Hell, even my own teachers said 'learn the basics, then throw them out!" and Edward Wellen (name dropping yes  Grin ) was among my teachers. That made me fortunate, that didn't make me the best. I'm rewriting the Silk Wood Manor stories both to have fun but also to improve on them. Never really be sorry that you killed poor Alec  Grin or that you write and enjoy non-canon stuff. My husband and I put canon stuff in Maelstrom, but neither of us claim we do canon. We like some canon (what we personally see as canon ) stuff.  Never limit yourself. Explore. You're a writer. You're doing what many people don't even understand, many aren't capable of it. Be unique whenever you can. Writing is work, but it's wonderful, too. You create characters. You bring them to life. Be proud of it, no matter what others may say. That confidence is tough to develop, but it'll come through in your work. I remember a teacher telling me "You have to like your characters, even the bad guys"   Grin
and while I'm on the rented soapbox, other than giving warning for adult material, language, violence etc. that's IT. Reading is discovery. Readers are intelligent people. If they need road maps they can go where they'll find stories set up that way. I was TAUGHT  not to tell what I do or how I do it. I nearly was decapitated by a teacher when I finished a reading of my story (yep folks in that class homework was you write a WHOLE story, you make copies for the students and you READ IT in front of strangers (fellow writing students)  Cry   So I read it. The class ASSAULTED me with questions!!  Grin  I opened my mouth and the teacher said to me aloud SHUT UP and LISTEN.  Afterwards he called my story a force majeure (I may not have that spelled right) and when class ended this student came up to me and had me sign the copy of my story.  I think that night I realized I was a writer. Even remembering that brings me to tears. I had a shitty childhood in which few people appreciated me. My husband changed all that.  Grin  That shity childhood is what helps me write. Am I really good?  Grin Grin Grin Grin heck no giggle. I need all kinds of improvement!!! Deborah and Nans are witness to that  Grin  I nearly quit writing. No more. You're stuck with me.

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Reply #21 - Mar 6th, 2011 at 8:02am
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And like the Commander will have cash on him  Grin  Probably will do that, "I left my wallet in my other nehru, Alec."


After a month of that, Alec would quit paying  Grin
  
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Reply #22 - Mar 6th, 2011 at 8:09am
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Neesierie wrote on Mar 6th, 2011 at 7:39am:
Amelia,
This is one of those 'The Way It Should Have Ended' episodes!  Loved it!  Smiley



That's the way it DID end ! (folds arms)  Wink


Did we ever do a way it should have ended challenge, Deborah?

I only have done challenges I liked. Malestrom started out as the christmas one.




  
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Reply #23 - Mar 6th, 2011 at 8:13am
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I am impressed, "near double major in both Nuclear Physics and English"


She passed all her notes to Straker at Boston Uni. & M.I.T.
  
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Reply #24 - Mar 6th, 2011 at 8:19am
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Matt as long as it was wwell written and was a principle part of the story, you are forgiven.

Just finished reading a Voyage story where the writer had Nelson already dead and buried but it helped flesh out the human element of the story.  Though when Harry is missing from a story I usually pass reading it
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Reply #25 - Mar 6th, 2011 at 8:44am
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Way to go, Amelia!  I'm here in the audience while you tell it like it is from your soapbox!  What is up with people saying they're the only ones who really know anything anyway?  Can you get more foolish than to say something that egotistical? 
I've been reading fanfic for years and find that we all see the show from our own prespective, which as you said colors our understanding of it.  It was a ground-breaking show and still today has an impact when watched.  So writers will continue to write the characters and situations in ways that resonate with their own life and experiences.  Anyone who doesn't get that needs to take their blinders off and realize there's a world outside of themselves. 
For myself, I've thoroughly enjoyed seeing the show through others' eyes over the years as I've read their take on it.  Some I've agreed with, some I haven't.  But all had intriguing points to make.  None of them deserved to be ridiculed or put down for their version of the show.  I truly feel that we would have a lot more fanfic writers if they were allowed to write without chains (or beatings!) from the other fans.  It's sad to see self-proclaimed 'experts' tearing into the heartfelt writings of others.  And it tells us a lot more about them than it does about the ones they are ripping apart. 
The funniest thing I find about all this worry over 'canon' in UFO is that there really was so little.  I'm used to Star Trek, where their bible is so religiously adhered to that it's almost impossible to write anything about the shows!  UFO didn't have a bible, and even the secondary characters took on each other's roles as needed in the episodes, so that there isn't any clarity to follow throughout.  It was a complete mishmash with very little continuity, which makes it an ideal show to write fanfic for, since anything pretty much goes!  Like you, I don't worry about whether I'm sticking to 'strict canon' when I write a UFO story.  (Especially since that would be nearly impossible to do, since it's practically non-existent.)  The important thing for me is to let the characters I'm writing about tell their own stories -- and that often changes according to how I feel about them at the time.  Wink
In the end, those annoying nitpickers and egotists will fade into time, while the individual stories themselves will continue to tell their own tale -- and all without someone dictating to us whether we should enjoy reading them or not.  Cool
  

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Reply #26 - Mar 6th, 2011 at 9:06am
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Wait a minute.  I'm not the high roller you may think I am.  I said I was a Physics and English major in college.  I never got my degrees.  I was seduced into marriage and left academia behind.  Wink  But I never left my love for both those fields, so I stay abreast of things going on even today.  However, if I ever get the chance to take classes these days, I always somehow end up in English rather than science.  It's just my first love -- what can I say? 

Say, Amelia.  My creative writing class was like yours.  I thoroughly loved the challenge of writing a complete story in a short time.  It was good training.  My teacher was really encouraging to me, although a few of my classmates were annoyed that I had too rosy of an outlook on life. *snicker*  Well, hell!  So did Gene Roddenberry, but that never stopped him, did it?  (He's been my muse for decades!  Star Trek changed my life.)

One of the ways in which my love for the Star Trek universe affects my UFO stories is that even when my subject matter is grim (terminally-ill children, mass murder, forced retirement, mental breakdowns, etc.), the main characters end the story in a better place.  Although I really enjoyed the angst of UFO, the show left me feeling sad and made me wish it could be more like Star Trek with its happier, lessons-learned endings.  So I took a leaf from Roddenberry's book and always write my UFO stories with happy endings.  I suppose some would say that I violate 'canon' in doing so  Wink, but somehow my readers never seem to care about that.  They love reading a story that doesn't leave them wanting to commit suicide.  Go figure!  :Smiley
  

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Reply #27 - Mar 6th, 2011 at 9:12am
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Blue Shrew wrote on Mar 6th, 2011 at 7:40am:
Reading out loud or especially in my head I can do voices for the characters, that add to my enjoyment of the written word. Grin.


My kids absolutely loved it when I read to them!  I always gave a different voice to each character, and sometimes we'd be laughing so hard at the way they sounded that I couldn't read for a minute!  I worried about losing that fun time with them as they grew older, but they never stopped wanting a 'chapter' before bedtime -- even as teens!  Now I read to my grandchildren, and they love it too.  And my daughter still gets to have her momma read to her, which makes us both happy.


Blue Shrew wrote on Mar 6th, 2011 at 7:40am:
Voyage was my salvation during a bad time in my life.

UFO was my salvation.  Straker was the hero I needed so that I didn't lose all hope of a better life in the future.  I guess that's why I still adore him to this day!  Kiss
  

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Reply #28 - Mar 6th, 2011 at 9:37am
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My husband says that canon probably brings a bigger readership. So we flavor our stuff with canon, or in areas where we think canon works.
 
My husband defines canon more as reality. He says the entire episode of The Responsibility Seat was not canon.  Grin  He says the minute Straker found out Frasier had the tape, he should have had a security team go get it, then dose Fraser with the amnesia drug. The minute Fraser whacked him over the head with the vase, that was assault. He should have called the police. So Straker is upset when the G6 reveals she's a con artist? Straker needs a lesson in responsibility. He put himself at risk bringing that woman into his house. Straker would have wound up on National Inquirer * if he hadn't the sense to ask Ealand to do the G6. Straker's achilles heel is women. Those episodes unfold for drama,  not reality. Who in that entire episode saw Fraser for who she really was?   FORD!  Ealand was sizing Fraser up, too.  Fraser HATED Straker and all he represented. What's to prevent her from flapping her lips about 'Commander Straker? Commander Straker?" I don't buy the crap about 'no time' (to play it back)


My one question was What did he cook her??????????  Grin
that book about UFO says Straker's an expert cook. needed to get book name:

The Complete Book of UFO by Chris Bentley.
Straker's such fun. Wink
* or TMZ :

WE'VE GOT HOT PICS OF FILM EXEC. STRAKER BARES ALL IN THE BEDROOM. FRASER TELLS ALL!

Not that I personally would have them blownup into a poster look at them.
  
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Reply #29 - Mar 6th, 2011 at 9:45am
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My wife forgot to add How did that reporter get home? Straker drove her to his house. her car was presumably abandoned. We hope he didn't let her call for a taxi, he made her walk. I doubt it. Straker can be very, very dumb. Wink
  
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